What you're about to see is a discussion that I had with Father Silouan Justiniano.

Father Silouan is a Hieromunk. He is also a priest in the Orthodox Church, but mostly to us, he is really an artist.

In my estimation, Father Siluan is one of the most important visual artists in North America today.

In the sense that his understanding of traditional

iconography, his attention to detail, his mastery of color, his capacity to bring in strains

from different traditional arts, but also from contemporary art, into a sacred art, which is

powerful and is present while also

being very traditional. And I think that he offers us a vision of what North American Orthodox

sacred art could look like. But not only that, I believe that he can also point us to a

direction in which sacred art can be a model even for secular art, gallery art, but also popular art as well.

And so in our discussion, we talk about visual art.

We talk about the traditional doctrine of art as was formulated by an art historian, Anandakumrasami at the beginning of the century.

And so we go through much of contemporary art, modern art, and also how it connects to iconography.

And so it's a very rich and powerful discussion.

And I'm very happy to be sharing it with you today.

Music to be sharing it with you today. This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

Thank you. So what I want to do is I mean, definitely want to talk about art. I want to kind of revisit the conversation we had a few years ago that I didn't, that I didn't record well.

This one should be good because I know what I'm doing now.

And so that's what I mostly want to do.

And I want people, I want you to talk about your art and your approach.

You know, I had Aiden Hart on and I had other other people.

And I'm trying to kind of create communication channels between secular art world and the sacred art.

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