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The Natasha Crain Podcast

22. What's Wrong with Bethel Church and the NAR Movement? with Holly Pivec

The Natasha Crain Podcast

Natasha Crain

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

5 • 1.2K Ratings

🗓️ 3 November 2022

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) is a popular and fast-growing new movement of Christians who emphasize signs and wonders and teach that God is giving new revelation through new apostles and prophets today. Some churches associated with those teachings have even become household names—you’ve probably heard of the widely influential Bethel Church, for example. But are NAR teachings consistent with the historic Christian faith? That's the question my guest today, Holly Pivec, seeks to answer in her new book, Counterfeit Kingdom: The Dangers of New Revelation, New Prophets, and New Age Practices in the Church, which she co-authored with Biola professor Douglas Geivett.

Holly is a blogger, author, and speaker, as well as a pastor’s wife and homeschooling mom. She has a master’s degree in Christian apologetics from Biola University. She has coauthored three books about the New Apostolic Reformation and writes a popular blog, which you can read at hollypivec.com.

Connect with Holly: www.hollypivec.com

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0:00.0

Hi everyone, welcome to the Natasha Crane Podcast. Is there a new reformation happening in the church?

0:13.2

Well, that depends on who you ask.

0:15.4

The new Apostolic Reformation, sometimes known as NAR,

0:19.1

is a popular and fast-growing new movement of Christians

0:22.3

who emphasize science and wonders and teach that God and churches associated with those teachings have even become household names.

0:33.4

For example, you've probably heard of the Wiley influential Bethel Church.

0:37.4

But are NARA teachings consistent with the historic Christian faith?

0:42.2

That is the question that my guest today Holly Pivik seeks to

0:45.1

answer in her new book Counterfeit Kingdom which she co-authored with Biola Professor

0:49.6

Douglas Givet. Holly is a blogger and author and speaker as well as a pastor's wife and a

0:55.8

homeschooling mom. She has a master's degree in Christian apologetics from

1:00.0

Biola University and she's co-authored three books about the New Apostolic Reformation.

1:04.9

She also writes a popular blog and you can read that and find out all about her at

1:09.7

Holly Pivik.com and that is spelled Holly Pivick.com and that is spelled Holly P I. E.C. dot com. Welcome to the show Holly.

1:18.0

Thanks so much Natasha. Thanks for having me on.

1:21.0

Well I've been really excited about this conversation because there

1:25.4

is so much to learn about this movement. It is quite complex. There are a lot of

1:31.0

misconceptions and misperceptions out there and I got an early copy of your book

1:36.7

I actually was one of the endorsers on it so I had a chance to read it even though at the time of this recording

1:41.1

It's not out yet. it comes out on November 18th

1:45.8

15th okay it comes out November 15th but it's available for pre-order and I

1:49.3

highly recommend this book to everyone this conversation is to

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