Welcome to Pick Me Up, I'm scared. The podcast. I'm your host, Madeline. And I'm your co-host, Kenna.

Okay, Kenna, today I wanted to ask you, what is the most out-of-pocket you have ever paid for a medical

procedure or appointment in the United

States. I can tell you that because I just paid off my back surgery this week. It was

nearly $3,800. And that's with insurance to confirm. That is with insurance. I think,

you know, pre-bill everything. It was something like $60,000 or something.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think I paid $900 once.

That's like the most I've paid, but I felt like I got out pretty cheap even with that one.

Yeah.

I also recently had an out-of-pocket expense for something that I did not realize was out of network,

and it was for something so... It's seemingly silly, but I was having jaw problems that were

giving me really terrible migraine headaches. So I went to have a doctor just look at my

TMJ, and it was $850 for like an hour maybe consultation,

if that.

Wow.

Where he just looked at my jaw and told me some jaw exercises.

That reminds me of one time my boyfriend went to the doctor and they asked him if he smoked

and he was like sometimes and then they were like, you to the doctor and they asked him if he smoked and he was like

sometimes and then they were like you should quit and then they billed him for tobacco counseling and

that was the entire conversation that happened those three sentences back and forth amongst both

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