21st century peaks Ep 8 | Floor generals, “engines” & 2-way Midrangers
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🗓️ 11 September 2025
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We tackle Chris Paul's “floor general” approach to offense and the pros and cons of how he pressured defenses (and his turnover suppression). Also, how did he change defensively from 2008 in New Orleans to his Clippers tenure? Where does he rank among small defenders? Then we make sense of Kawhi Leonard's historic scoring numbers and shooting, and the surprising heights of his team's offenses, along with his fluctuating defensive signals. Support at www.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball
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| 0:00.0 | Thinking Basketball podcast. My name is Ben. |
| 0:10.4 | Welcome back to episode eight of our 21st century peaks. |
| 0:17.1 | Today we have to just get right into it. |
| 0:20.8 | We are going to talk about some of the best mid-range players of the century and what that means. |
| 0:27.7 | And they're both two-way players. |
| 0:29.6 | And there's a lot of stuff to get to. |
| 0:31.6 | But our segue into today's conversation is actually picking up where we last left off. |
| 0:55.3 | And Cody, you might not remember. But at the end of the last episode, I tried to avoid ranking Dirk Davitsky and Steve Nash. Does that sound familiar? Yeah. That was the whole thing. I think I asked you like three or four times to be like, come on. Let's see what's going to happen. And I don't remember exactly how it turned out, Ben. Yes, yes. |
| 0:56.3 | Well, we can get to that in a little bit and maybe even at the end of today's show because |
| 1:00.7 | the reason, the reason that I did not want to go there really is because the first |
| 1:08.2 | player I want to discuss today bleeds into this sort of trying to sort out where to put these players. |
| 1:15.6 | And that is one CP3, Christopher Paul, this, yes, the state farm salesman himself. |
| 1:23.0 | And what's interesting about Chris Paul is he's one of these players where you look at him and you go, |
| 1:28.9 | okay, well, what year is his peak? Does he have two separate peaks? He almost won MVP in 2008. |
| 1:38.9 | Then he has this injury that kind of moves him briefly to the backburner of the basketball consciousness |
| 1:46.4 | for like a year or two in 2010 and 2011. You could argue it started in 2009 when they were |
| 1:53.3 | just destroyed. They were banished to the phantom zone in the playoffs by the Denver Nuggets. I think they lost one game by like 54 points or something. |
| 2:03.5 | That was the end of that. |
| 2:05.1 | And all of a sudden in 2011 in the playoffs, Chris Paul is playing the Lakers and he starts |
| 2:12.2 | doing Chris Paul things again. |
| 2:13.5 | And people are like, oh my God, Chris Paul's really good. |
| 2:16.8 | And then he's back. And then he is traded to the Lakers. And then, my God, Chris Paul's really good, and then he's back. |
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