You're listening to Knowing Faith, a podcast of Training the Church. This is Kyle Whirley and I'm joined by my co-host Jen Wilkin and J.T. English.

What's up? Good morning. How are we doing?

I'm doing great. How are you doing?

So good. So good. When Jen did sign on to our recording today, it was the

worst sign on we've ever had on to the studio. It was like the camera was falling over the sound there was

terrible feedback and I really thought there was an earthquake happening in her part of Texas

for a hot second and I'm not that far away so I thought what is happening over there

but we're all good now Jen I just wanted to make sure you guys were awake well if we weren't before we were we were woke after it was so funny because I couldn't hear it all I

could see was you guys acting like the whole sky was falling and it was kind of

great I was like wow I really do have influence over these guys yeah Yeah, well, for somebody who just wrapped up a shooting for your forthcoming revelation study,

it did feel like you were pouring out a bowl of wrath.

We needed an apocalyptic moment to start the day.

That's right.

That was it.

Repent, guys, repent or perish.

That's true.

It did.

It definitely sobered me up before the Lord.

But we're not talking about revelation. We're talking about

Exodus chapter 30 and 31, really with a focus on the liturgy of Israel and the

cult or culture of worship or sometimes referred to the

worshiping cult or the cultists of worship we think of cult is a uniformly bad

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