Hey, everybody. We got a great one today, you know, for a change, because my guest is Catherine Rampel.

You may know Catherine from her Washington Post column or her previous visits on her show.

Plus, we'll be seeing more of Catherine soon when she starts co-hosting MSNBC's The Weekend,

which will be in prime time.

We recorded this immediately after, immediately after Trump's Rose Garden speech,

announcing his new tariff regime.

So this is an historic conversation.

I'm essentially asking Catherine to explain what we had just

heard on the fly. But just for clarity's sake, Trump has put steep tariffs on nearly every

country in the world, which will cost Americans at least a couple thousand dollars a year each.

It will adversely affect low and middle-income Americans far more than high-income

Americans who will get a giant tax break. There. Before we go into my discussion with Catherine,

I want to talk to you about the special election in Wisconsin. It was a very important win for

the state Supreme Court judge. Susan

Crawford was elected by a 10% margin. Now, Elon Musk put $20 million in the efforts to support

the ultra-conservative candidate, but Wisconsin voters across the state came out and voted to elect Crawford. That's because

Democrats turned out and shifted the margins statewide when compared to Trump's narrow

victory there in November. After Crawford's win, Musk commented that he, quote, expected to lose,

which I guess is why he put only 20 million into the

race. At least he's accepted the results and isn't spreading election hoax lies. Still, we should

celebrate Crawford's victory with it. The liberal justices maintain a four, three majority, and will

be able to un-jgerimander the state's

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