I'm Emily P. Freeman and welcome to the next right thing. You're listening to episode 218.

This is a podcast about making decisions, but also about making a life. If you struggle with

decision fatigue, chronic hesitation, or if you just need a few minutes away from the constant

stream of information, and the sometimes delightful but distracting hum of entertainment,

you're in the right place for discerning your next right thing. Today's question,

what do you do when you work hard on something for years of your life? You believe you're being

faithful to your next right thing, and then you release your prayed for work into the world

only to later learn new information that forces you to question everything you worked so hard to offer.

My guest today has asked and rustle with that very question.

Jamin Gagan is the co-author along with Kyle Strobel of the book The Way of the Dragon or The Way

of the Lamb, searching for Jesus' path of power and a church that has abandoned it. I look forward

to talking with Jamin about what compelled him to want to write a book about power in the church

in the first place, and how it applies to cultural conversations we're having today.

And I'll also invite him to tell the story about his own discernment process of why they chose

to stop printing the first edition of this book, when the very message they wrote about,

the dangers of the abuse of power came to light in new and heartbreaking ways.

Listen in.

Well, I met Jamin in 2016 when he served as a spiritual director and a guide for a writing

retreat that John and I participated in. So we've known each other now for about six years,

and in that time, Jamin has been to our house, has met our kids. They still talk about how cool

Jamin from California is. We've been to Jamin's church out in California, so we've been grateful

Jamin for your friendship and love over the years, and now I'm so glad to have you on the podcast.

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