Welcome to Duck Policy Podcast. I'm Ashken Kazarian. On today's show, we're hosting Dr. Betsy Cooper,

Executive Director of Berkeley Center for Long-term Cybersecurity. Betsy comes from UC Berkeley from the

Department of Homeland Security, where she served as attorney advisor to Deputy General Counsel and

a policy counselor in the Office of Policy.

She's also a Yale graduate, which is always a great connection.

And not only she works for the government and is now in academia, but before this, she was also

in the private sector.

So she has the experience in the cybersecurity world from every single perspective, which is why I wanted to have her on a show.

Betsy, thank you so much for coming.

Happy to be here.

So Betsy, I wanted to have you on to talk about cybersecurity and start from a little bit of a high-level stuff.

So what is cybersecurity?

We keep hearing about it.

It's all over venues in in connection with elections, in connection with Apple watches that track our soldiers who do runs in connection to what we watch on Facebook. It's everywhere. But what is it?

Cybersecurity is a series of concentric

circles. At its, at DC levels, we tend to think about it as the way that governments

engage with each other and try to think about how to attack each other's IT systems. It's also

commercial. So it's the ways that we protect all the different things that we engage with in the private sector

and try to keep those secure so that we can engage in commerce, get our bank records, get our healthcare records.

And then I think at the biggest level, cybersecurity is really about how we think about where technology and society intersect and the most important things

that give rise to security concerns. So you can think about the workforce and how we're

going to try to protect that for the future. You can think about artificial intelligence

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