Welcome to the Squiggly Careers podcast. This is a weekly podcast to help you with the ups,

downs, ins and outs of careers today and to share with you tools and insights to help you invest

in your development. I'm Helen, one of your hosts and today is the last episode in our current

Ask the Expert series. So instead of me and Sarah, your normal hosts,

you've got me and Sophie, Sophie Williams, to be precise, and we're going to be talking about

progression. Sophie is the author of two books, anti-racist ally, an introduction to action and activism,

and millennial black, which looks at how black women's intersectional identities, that's

blackness plus womeness, shape their experiences at work. Her career has included working in

leading advertising agencies and running her own agency blanket fort. And we met through our

TEDx London talks, where Sophie's talk on the glass cliff and how it holds back

underrepresented groups at work really made me think about our mission at the business

that Sarah and I run together, which is to make careers better for everybody. Sarah and I knew

that we wanted to cover progression in this RC Expert series, and we thought that Sophie's insights and

perspectives would be hugely valuable. So I hope you enjoy the conversation, and I would

absolutely love to know what you take away. I'll share our email details at the end of the

episode, so do get in touch. And don't forget that we've also got the pod sheet, which you can

download to support your reflections, and also Pod Plus on Thursday at 9am, if you want to join a discussion to dive a bit deeper

into the topic of progression. All the links of these will be in the show notes. So hopefully

you'll find them there. And if you don't, you can just email us and we'll send you them.

So now let's go on to the conversation.

Hi, Sophie.

Welcome to the Squiggly Creates Podcast.

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