And you talk about the crazy difference.

Undercover work, as we like to say, it's a volunteer sport.

However, when I got hired, when Lou and I, Lou was in the academy class that started maybe

three months before mine back in 98.

So we were in the first wave of that big hire.

The only reason in our minds somebody would want to join ATF is because you want to do

undercover work. You want to do just dismantling these violent crews with no regard for human

life. Why else would you want this job? Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the next episode of Game of Crimes with Murph on the morning.

Let me tell you, we're doing this in the morning, and it has been an ordeal you know i've never

made any bones about it i'm not a tech guy when it comes to this kind of especially this

technical recording stuff and our guest today he and i've been battling this now for

almost an hour to get it to work but we finally got it so welcome back thank you sir

appreciate you folks bearing with us we've got it. So welcome back. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you folks bearing with us. We've got a guy who is recommended to me, and we'll talk a little bit more about that here in just a minute, but he's a 35-year law enforcement professional, now retired, has been through some unbelievable events in his career.

We're going to get into a couple of those.

This is going to be a really, really good interview.

Remember, for those that you have been around for a while, when Morgan was here,

we used to have that saying, get in, sit down, shut up, and hold on.

Today is one of those episodes.

So it's my true pleasure to welcome Eric M. Mr. Berger. Welcome to the show, brother. Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity, Steve. Glad to be here. Absolutely, man. Thank you for coming on. And thanks for bearing with me this morning. And we get through all this technical stuff. It's all good. It's like a fugitive hunt. We always got to have the phantom sighting before the real thing.

What? through all this technical stuff. It's all good. It's like a fugitive hunt. We always got to have the phantom sighting before the real thing. Whatever it takes to make it work, right? I got all kinds of help worksheets pulled up on another laptop here trying to figure out what the heck we're doing.

So it's working right now. So let's go with that. You folks know that every week we like to have our small town police blotter. And like I always do, I wait until the night before and hit our guest, hey, would you mind doing this? And I sent it to Eric last night. And just like every other guest on here, he doesn't hesitate. He read the article I sent him. It's hilarious. And he agreed to do it. So before we get into that,

I just read our disclaimer. This is a show about crime. We talk about bad people. We talk about

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