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You're a safe place to find hope, healing, and freedom from sexual addiction, betrayal, and relationship issues.

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I'm your host, Trevor Windsor, and you're listening to Episode 2.13 of the Pure Desire Podcast.

Here joining me, as always, is my co-host, Nick Stumbo.

It's a bird. It's a plane. It's Josh McDowell or Superman. So, listener, today we had the one

and only because there's no one else like him, Josh McDowell to talk about, like, yes,

you heard me right, Josh McDowell, like the Josh McDowell, like wrote a bunch of books,

apologist.

Like in the hundreds, I think books.

Like ministry named after you, Josh McDowell.

And we had him on today to talk about just pornography, the effects of pornography and how to battle it.

Yeah, you know, the first time I met Josh McDowell was when he came out for our legacy of honor event celebrating Ted and Diane Roberts a number of years ago.

And he had on a giant Superman belt buckle, which I just thought was fantastic.

And he really is, you know, I think in terms of being an apologist of the faith, someone

that's really for decades been someone that interprets culture and helps culture find Christ

and Christians understand how to live in culture in a way that honors Christ.

And so we're excited about today's episode because he really has over the last

decade or so turned a lot of his ministry focus and attention towards what's happening in our world

with pornography. And we get to talk about that today. And he's, you know, for anyone who knows Josh

McDonnell and has read his books, he is a straight shooter. he calls it like it is and it's compelling,

it's convicting, it's at time hard to hear. But I think when we wrestle through, well,

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