Welcome to Tech Policy Podcast. I'm Ashken Kazarian, Tech Freedom's Legal and Research Fellow, and your new host.

If you haven't figured it out yet, Evan Swashbber, Tech Freedom's original host, has left us to become a public servant.

And in the best Russian fashion, I've annexed the show.

To cement my rightful place, I've invited Jared Meyer, the most frequent guest of the show,

to join us for his 22nd appearance.

Jared, thank you for being here.

It's weird, not seeing Evan, but I mean, you had to fire him sooner or later, so I don't blame tech freedom.

So, Jared, what are you talking about today? Have you not run of any knowledge?

I don't know, working on a lot of the same stuff, a lot of trying to get government out of the way of people who are looking for jobs and those who are trying to create jobs, working on the state level quite a bit, but still involved in some

federal future work things, which is I'm pretty sure what we're talking about today.

So what is this new policy that the Department of Labor has taken on?

So this is interesting.

So I moved it flew a little bit under the table, like a lot of what the Trump administration has done, his Secretary

of Labor Acosta, he rescinded an administrator's interpretation from President Obama's

wage and hour division at the Department of Labor. And this all sounds really boring, but I wrote

an article saying that, you know, Secretary Acosta saved the sharing economy. And I really don't

think that's an overstatement because of what drives all the movement we've seen in the sharing economy and just

independent work in general is working as an independent contractor. And that new model of work was

really under threat from President Obama's administration. So what exactly was with his interpretation?

So the interpretation that was issued in

2015, if you work in the United States, you're either an employee or an independent contractor.

And for a long time, the predominant test used to determine this is something called the

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