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Hello, podcast, friends. We have a special thing today. It really is special. We got to

talking about church stuff. And I remember there's something I'm actually really excited

about that's happening. And you know what? You should know about it too. So you're about to

hear an interview with Phil Devorak, a longtime friend of mine, who is part of something that's growing very rapidly.

And I think you'll see why.

It's actually a really beautiful expression what the church is.

So some good news for you.

I hope you enjoy this.

How far do we go back?

It has to be close to 20 years, 15, 20 years?

I'm going to say it's been 20.

Yeah, I would say about 20 years.

And it's just kind of weird because we were doing,

we were helping out at a church with the youth worship thing.

Is that what it was?

It was, yeah.

Okay, and then, so that got really messy because

the guy who was the pastor at this church was busted, in part because I blew the whistle

on some really awful stuff. And so we kind of took that, a few of us took that as maybe a cue to,

hey, let's start our own thing. Maybe God wants us to do that. And so we did. And after a while,

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