It's not enough for journalists and pundits to say the unstable.

We have to start seeing, you know, fricking Silicon Valley changing its policies.

We have to see people really beginning to think these sacred cows, diverse inclusion policy.

These are so bad.

I mean, let's see.

Let's see if any brave souls in 2023 push back against these things.

Brave editors at publishing houses, brave commissioners at theaters,

which they're beginning to do, I think, brave teachers, brave lecturers,

brave doctors, and brave policemen and judges.

And let's see.

Hello, welcome back to the Brendan O'Neill show with me, Brendan O'Neill.

And my special guest this week, Zoe Strympel, Zoe, welcome to the show.

Thanks, Brendan. Great to be here.

There's loads of stuff I want to talk to you about.

Stuff you've been writing about in your column in the Sunday Telegraph

and in other publications as well.

But I want to kick off by asking you about lockdown and the impact of lockdown on our lives.

Lots of people are now talking about the consequences of having shut down society

for a year or two in relation to the economy, in relation to people's sense of mental health,

all sorts of things that we're worried that this might have had a larger impact

than we previously thought.

And one of the things you're best known as is a historian of intimacy,

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