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Welcome to the You are not so smart podcast episode 210.

Our guest on this episode of the You are not so smart podcast is Dr. Julia Shaw, a psychologist who has been on the podcast several times and someone who I consider a true friend.

And she is the author of evil and the memory illusion, the latter of which we haven't really gotten into on the show, not the book itself, nor the research she did that led to that book.

And I wanted to bring her back on the show because we've never talked about the book, let's talk about the book, but also last month she had another study published that paper was written and researched a while back and just now made it through the vetting pipeline of science.

And it harkens back to her original focus as a researcher, memory, you see, Julia is famous among psychologists because she was able to implant false memories into a group of subjects and convince 70% of them that they were guilty of a crime they did not commit.

And she did so by using the sort of sloppy interrogation techniques that some police departments have been truly guilty of using in the past.

In other words, she showed that unbeknownst to the interviewer and the interviewee asking a certain series of questions in a certain order is all it takes to alter a person's memory and in some cases that leads people to a conviction, a wrongful criminal conviction that they themselves wrongfully believe they deserve.

I think you will enjoy this and here it is, a conversation with Dr. Julia Shaw about memory.

I'm Dr. Julia Shaw and I am a psychological scientist at University College London and I write books and I do quite a lot of science communication.

Yes, you do quite a lot and I recommend everyone to check out your Instagram, which is always very entertaining and very well curated.

Very sci-fi.

Very sci-fi.

Very book and sci-fi. It is getting more sci-fi. It's getting more artsy and more sci-fi as my own brain develops. You get to watch me and my passions develop over time.

Actually, thank you very much. You introduced me to the retro sci-fi Instagram accounts. There's like six of them and they're my favorite thing every morning. I'm like, oh, what? Great. 70s and 80s sci-fi art.

You think you know what you're getting into if you've seen Boris Vallejo, but it goes so much weirder and so much deeper than that. I love it. Thank you very much.

Anytime.

I'm actually, I'm doing a, I've started creating sci-fi art, which is when you use sort of photosensitive chemicals and then you process things outside so you sort of layer on images and I'm using actually retro sci-fi covers and I'm processing them and then I'm layering them on with NASA images onto sci-fi paint.

And so stay tuned for some creative creations based on that.

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