All right, welcome everyone back to dissecting popular IT nerds today.

Jeremiah Ginn and author, author of diving into secure access service edge.

That's just the tip of the iceberg, I guess, when it comes to cybersecurity.

You put your title as Cybersecurity Innovator, which is great.

It's a small field of work.

There's hardly anyone going into security nowadays, as you, of course, know.

There's very few of you.

That's, you know, I was told that a while back that using sarcasm is a behavioral derailer, so.

Thank you for being on the show.

And your job nowadays is definitely, it's a wide, it's very far and wide and I would love to know how anyone

decides on what to focus on it all.

But you've written the book.

So why don't we just start there?

And, you know, let's just start with why the book to begin with.

And I don't talk security too much because it's definitely not an area of, I would say it's an area of my

expertise as far as knowing everybody and knowing kind of like who doesn't know what they're

talking about and who does, but it's not my area of, I'm not going to be the pen tester.

Let's just put it that way. But let me let you speak for a second. Tell us about

the book real quick and why the book and how you got there. Sure. Sure. So what happened was,

for whatever reason, I got into AT&T product and the SD Way and Center of Excellence at AT&T and ended up working with over 3,000 different

customers on SDWAN over the last five years. Now, what the great thing about seeing that kind of

volume is that you see the same problems over and over again. You see patterns, right? You see trend analysis. And it just

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