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Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, June 18th, and the man who set a cross on fire and placed it in a very public Chicago Park has been charged with the hate crime. But here's the thing. He said he had no idea

that what he was doing had anything to do with hate or racism. And with that, welcome to this

episode of Amy and T.J. Do you buy it? Well, it's so funny. I was just going to ask you the same

question. And I actually do. He sat down.

You do. I believe that he wanted to send a message, thought this would grab attention, but I don't think

he realized just how deeply offended and how historically, racially charged his choice of protest was.

I do think he was just a stupid, basically ignorant kid who knew kind of that it was

incendiary but didn't realize just how much.

So you didn't buy you didn't buy it.

No. Swastika. Would you buy it? Right? Would you buy it if someone says the same thing about

that particular image? No. Just throughout history, you were raised as far as I understand in the U.S., this young man.

Oh, he grew up in Naperville, Illinois, about as Midwestern as you can get.

I have a very difficult time believing that he made it through 21 years of his life growing up where he did and being in college and

educating and being a senior at the University of Illinois at Chicago. You can do all that and you

had no idea. That's stunning, if true. That I do. I hear you and I agree because yes,

if you asked any of our kids, if they realize just how horrific the symbol

of a burning cross is and who and what organization it represents, I actually think that they

would all come up with the Ku Klux Klan. I do believe that.

I just, I don't understand.

You're in college.

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