21. Pete Docter: “What If Monsters Really Do Exist?”
People I (Mostly) Admire
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🗓️ 9 May 2026
⏱️ 43 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Monsters Inc. Up, Inside Out, and Soul. All four of these movies, critically claimed box office smashes, are the brainchild of Pete Doctor. |
| 0:15.5 | Fresh out of college, you took a job as an animator at a small, struggling firm that built computer hardware and made TV commercials. |
| 0:22.0 | 30 years later, that same firm Pixar is one of the most successful film studios on the |
| 0:26.5 | planet, and Pete Doctor is its chief creative officer. |
| 0:32.5 | Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt. |
| 0:38.3 | Pete Doctor already has two Academy Awards, and he's nominated for another this year for directing |
| 0:43.8 | the movie Soul. How does a mild-mannered Minnesota boy rise to the pinnacle of the film industry? |
| 0:50.4 | I have no idea. I'm also a mild-mannered Minnesota boy, almost the exact same age as Pete Doctor, |
| 0:56.9 | and it's really hard for me to imagine how he pulled it off. And I have to say, I'm a little bit jealous. |
| 1:10.1 | Pete, Doctor, it is an absolute joy to get to talk with you today. I've got six kids, and I suspect I've spent more time watching your movies than just about anyone else. Thanks for being here. |
| 1:19.9 | It's a pleasure to be here. Man, I'm sorry. Six kids is a lot of kids. I started over, which is a really unique situation where I've got four teenagers and two toddlers. |
| 1:29.3 | So I'm one of those rare people who gets the second chance to do better than I did the first time. |
| 1:34.2 | Is it different the second time? You feel like I'm a different parent? |
| 1:37.8 | You know, I really expected to feel very different, and I thought that I would be so much better. |
| 1:43.0 | But the reality is I was so sleep deprived the first time through. I can't remember any of the lessons I was supposed to have learned. I think I'm just repeating almost all the same mistakes, unfortunately. Well, that's the thing I would think I'd be maybe more relaxed or go like, oh, yeah, they're not dead or on fire, so it's okay. So I was pretty relaxed the first time around. Okay, maybe that's not a good idea then. |
| 2:03.7 | But I will say the thing that's different is I did worry about would they learn how to read and write and do math. |
| 2:11.9 | And this time around, I realize every kid learns how to read and write and do math. |
| 2:15.5 | The two things I don't think every kid learns how to do |
| 2:17.8 | is number one be happy and content. And the other one is to have ideas and to be creative. So that's |
| 2:25.3 | really been my focus is how to create a really loving environment where that safety allows them |
| 2:31.8 | to explore on their own. I guess that might be the difference in how I did it. |
| 2:34.9 | So you had two kids and they've grown up. Would you do anything differently if you started over? |
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