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People I (Mostly) Admire

21. Pete Docter: “What If Monsters Really Do Exist?”

People I (Mostly) Admire

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🗓️ 9 May 2026

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

He’s the chief creative officer of Pixar, and the Academy Award-winning director of Soul, Inside Out, Up, and Monsters, Inc. Pete Docter and Steve talk about Pixar’s scrappy beginnings, why it costs $200 million to make an animated film, and the movie moment that changed Steve’s life. This episode originally aired on March 26th, 2021.

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0:00.0

Monsters Inc. Up, Inside Out, and Soul. All four of these movies, critically claimed box office smashes, are the brainchild of Pete Doctor.

0:15.5

Fresh out of college, you took a job as an animator at a small, struggling firm that built computer hardware and made TV commercials.

0:22.0

30 years later, that same firm Pixar is one of the most successful film studios on the

0:26.5

planet, and Pete Doctor is its chief creative officer.

0:32.5

Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

0:38.3

Pete Doctor already has two Academy Awards, and he's nominated for another this year for directing

0:43.8

the movie Soul. How does a mild-mannered Minnesota boy rise to the pinnacle of the film industry?

0:50.4

I have no idea. I'm also a mild-mannered Minnesota boy, almost the exact same age as Pete Doctor,

0:56.9

and it's really hard for me to imagine how he pulled it off. And I have to say, I'm a little bit jealous.

1:10.1

Pete, Doctor, it is an absolute joy to get to talk with you today. I've got six kids, and I suspect I've spent more time watching your movies than just about anyone else. Thanks for being here.

1:19.9

It's a pleasure to be here. Man, I'm sorry. Six kids is a lot of kids. I started over, which is a really unique situation where I've got four teenagers and two toddlers.

1:29.3

So I'm one of those rare people who gets the second chance to do better than I did the first time.

1:34.2

Is it different the second time? You feel like I'm a different parent?

1:37.8

You know, I really expected to feel very different, and I thought that I would be so much better.

1:43.0

But the reality is I was so sleep deprived the first time through. I can't remember any of the lessons I was supposed to have learned. I think I'm just repeating almost all the same mistakes, unfortunately. Well, that's the thing I would think I'd be maybe more relaxed or go like, oh, yeah, they're not dead or on fire, so it's okay. So I was pretty relaxed the first time around. Okay, maybe that's not a good idea then.

2:03.7

But I will say the thing that's different is I did worry about would they learn how to read and write and do math.

2:11.9

And this time around, I realize every kid learns how to read and write and do math.

2:15.5

The two things I don't think every kid learns how to do

2:17.8

is number one be happy and content. And the other one is to have ideas and to be creative. So that's

2:25.3

really been my focus is how to create a really loving environment where that safety allows them

2:31.8

to explore on their own. I guess that might be the difference in how I did it.

2:34.9

So you had two kids and they've grown up. Would you do anything differently if you started over?

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