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In this episode, I'll be speaking with Douglas Murray. Douglas is a best-selling author and award-winning

journalist in the UK. He's the associate editor of the Spectator magazine and also associate

director of the Henry Jackson Society, which is a think tank in London. He writes regularly

for the spectator, standpoint, the daily telegraph, the daily mail, the Wall Street Journal,

in Europe, and he appears regularly on the BBC and other media outlets. He's spoken in the

British, in Dutch, in Danish, in European Parliament, and at the White House. Douglas is, as you will

hear, a very incisive critic of political correctness, and someone who is unusually engaged and

extraordinarily articulate on the problem of Islamism and our habit of capitulating to it.

So it's a great pleasure to talk to Douglas. I should say to give you some context that we spoke

about a week ago, right after the attacks in Paris, and we speak about the Syrian refugees in Europe.

And things have moved on a little bit in the US in the last five days or so. So there's been an

active debate on Syrian refugees coming to the US. I should point out that Douglas and I were

speaking about the European context, which is different from the US, from a security point of

view. As you'll hear, the vetting process for refugees in Europe is nearly non-existent.

In the US, that does not seem to be the case. And this is an important difference. As you'll hear,

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