Welcome to a bonus episode of Heart Starts Pounding. I'm your host, Kaelin Moore.

In this episode, I'm going to speak with professors of criminology, Amy Schlossberg and

Megan Sachs. Together, they host the podcast Women in Crime and have a wealth of knowledge

about, well, why people commit crimes. I'm going to be honest. The more I read about

the Lizzy Borden case, the more questions I had. To me, it felt like she was guilty,

but with the lack of physical evidence, how could we ever be sure? Well, it turns out,

if we knew then what we know now, the trial would have looked a lot different. In this

episode, Amy and Megan helped me understand what we know today about why people commit crimes,

and how that applies to what probably happened that fateful morning of August 4th, 1892. I

learned so much from talking with them, and I hope you do too. Amy and Megan, welcome

to Heart Starts Pounding. Hi, Kaelin. Thanks so much for having us. Thank you so much

for having us, Kaelin. So for those of my listeners that don't know Women in Crime, what

is the show about? Women in crime looks at a different case each week, a case in which

a woman is either an offender, a victim, often they're one in the same, or a trailblazer

in the field. And other than telling the story, we like to talk about whether the system

got it right or not. And also what criminal logical theories can help us understand why

that event happened to begin with. That's awesome. I think that's a great lead

into the episode that I just did about Lizzy Borden. I think one of the things that stuck

out to me the most about that case were really the theories that people had about women

and crime at the time. And really the belief was that a woman could not have committed

this crime. And I think that's a big reason as to why she was never convicted. What do

you think about that? A lot of people believe that this type of crime could only have been

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