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🗓️ 18 August 2025
⏱️ 69 minutes
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Summary
Anton Osika is the Co-Founder and CEO @ Lovable, the fastest growing company on the planet. In just 7 months, they have scaled from $0 to $120M in ARR. They have raised over $200M in funding from some of the best including Accel, Creandum and 20VC. Their latest round priced the company at a whopping $2BN.
Agenda for Today:
00:00 – Is AI an Arms Race… Or Just a Talent War?
03:45 – How Does Anton Compete with Zuck's $100M Packages for Talent
07:30 – Founder Mode vs. Structure: Can Chaos Scale?
10:15 – The Brutal Truth About Defensibility in AI Startups
13:20 – Unit Economics: Are AI Companies Doomed to Bleed Cash?
17:00 – GPT-5: Game-Changer or Overhyped Disappointment?
20:10 – How Lovable Hit $100M ARR in Just 7 Months?
25:15 – Replit, Figma, Bolt: Which Competitor is the Best?
30:00 – The Security Bombshells No One Talks About
36:40 – Should Anyone Still Study Computer Science?
40:30 – Work-Life Balance Is Dead: Inside Anton's 10x Culture
56:00 – OpenAI, Anthropic, or Grok: Who Wins the AI Wars?
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| 0:00.0 | University is not the best place to learn. It doesn't matter what you're studying. I'd invest |
| 0:04.4 | in grok and probably short anthropic because, no, I was short open AILIT. |
| 0:10.8 | Why would you buy that grog and short open ALE? |
| 0:13.2 | I think it's more the slope on the GROC team. They're doing something which I respect a lot, |
| 0:17.9 | which is to hire missionaries for the data |
| 0:20.9 | curation part. The morale is super high. Open AI has gone through all this mess, right? |
| 0:26.1 | There will be a leading model that has not been created yet. Yes, from China. Do you worry about |
| 0:31.7 | China? I do think there's like a 50-50 chance. They will have the best model. We'll be using a |
| 0:36.6 | Chinese model at some point. |
| 0:38.0 | And that makes me a bit concerned. |
| 0:39.2 | This is 20 VC with me, Harry Stebbings. Now, the show state is with the fastest growing company on the planet. |
| 0:44.7 | We traveled to Stockholm for this interview. It's with a dear friend, Anton Oseeker, co-founder and CEO, Loveable. |
| 0:50.7 | Now, Loveable has scaled from zero to 120 million in annual recurring revenue |
| 0:56.9 | in just seven months. Incredible to see. They've also raised over $200 million from some of the |
| 1:03.1 | best, Excel, CREandum, and of course, 20VC. And I've heard every show that Anton's done. |
| 1:09.9 | He answers questions here that he's never answered before. |
| 1:13.0 | This is a very different style of show and it was such a joy to make happen. |
| 1:17.5 | But before we dive into the show stay, I love seeing the team come together to make this show happen. |
| 1:22.4 | What I don't love is trying to keep track of all the information, the data and the projects that we're working on |
| 1:27.5 | across dozens of platforms, products and tools. That's why we use Coda, the all-in-one collaborative |
| 1:33.5 | workspace that's helped 50,000 teams all over the world get on the same page, offering the flexibility |
| 1:39.7 | of docs with the structure of spreadsheets, Coda facilitates deeper teamwork and quicker creativity, |
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