20VC: Applovin: $160BN Market Cap, $5.48BN Revenue, $10M EBITDA Per Head | Why the Best Do Not Need Mentorship | Why Founders Should Not Angel Invest | Why Kindness in Business Will Slow You Down with Adam Foroughi
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🗓️ 27 April 2026
⏱️ 81 minutes
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Summary
Adam Foroughi is the Co-Founder and CEO @ Applovin, one of the most underdiscussed but incredible businesses. Applovin has a market cap of $160BN, the company does $5.48BN in revenue and has an astonishing $10M EBITDA per head. The margins; 80%+. There is almost no other business in the world like it.
AGENDA:
00:00 – Why Winning (Not Fear) Drives the Best Founders
04:30 – When Money Stops Mattering: The Real Founder Motivation
07:15 – $83M CEO Payday: The Truth Behind the Headlines
10:45 – The Hidden Cost of Being a CEO: What No One Tells You
13:00 – Down 92%: How Do You Not Lose Your Mind?
17:00 – Layoffs: AI Revolution or COVID Hangover? Will the Layoffs Work?
24:30 – Why Most Companies Can't Build a Culture of A-Players
29:30 – What % of Applovin Code is AI? What Will it Be in 5 Years Time?
33:30 – Building on OpenAI: Opportunity or Existential Risk?
40:00 – The Dark Side of Short Sellers & Market Manipulation
50:00 – Do Great Founders Doubt Themselves?
52:00 – TikTok, Meta & The Future of Recommendation Engines
53:30 – The Path to a $1 Trillion Company: What Needs to Happen?
56:00 – Stock Buybacks: How to Do Them and When They Go Wrong?
59:00 – Is the SaaS Model Breaking? What Happens Now?
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| 0:00.0 | A lot of the things that we've been able to accomplish just don't make sense to people. |
| 0:04.0 | And in a world where things don't make sense, people think you're cheating. |
| 0:09.0 | The founder mentality's got to be Chase winning. |
| 0:14.0 | In order for me to get paid anything, the stock had to clear that and then keep going up from there. |
| 0:20.0 | Almost in every relationship in my life, I was never really present. |
| 0:25.2 | That fear of blow-up is one of my big motivators. |
| 0:29.4 | And so... |
| 0:32.1 | This is 20VC with me, Harry Stebbings. |
| 0:34.9 | Now, I have interviewed a thousand CEOs of the largest companies |
| 0:38.8 | over the last 10 years. This guest, Adam Farage, is top five I've ever met, easily. At Bluffin's |
| 0:46.1 | market cap, $160 billion. Their revenue, $5.48. And check this out, their EBITDA per head is $10 million. There is no company on the planet |
| 0:58.6 | with numbers like App Lovin. Of all the shows that I've done genuinely in the studio, this is the |
| 1:04.4 | favourite one for me that I've ever done with the CEO. But before we dive into the show today, |
| 1:09.7 | you have the idea, but often with AI tools, |
| 1:11.8 | you hit a wall. |
| 1:12.8 | Well, Base 44 is where that friction disappears, turning how you talk into how you build. |
| 1:18.2 | Full stack web and mobile apps, sites, autonomous super agents, all built in minutes, not |
| 1:23.8 | weekend spent on damn configuration. |
| 1:26.6 | Base 44 ships it all out of the box, the back end, the database, the authentication, and the hosting. |
| 1:32.0 | It handles the heavy lifting so you can just stay in the flow. |
| 1:35.0 | It doesn't just replace the busy work, it multiplies you. |
| 1:38.1 | It makes you so much more capable and effective version of yourself. |
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