Okay, let's breathe first.

Language has a way of living in the body.

My feet could be sticking out of my ears. I know that.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

On Design Matters, Debbie talks with some of the most creative people in the world about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about, and working on.

On this episode, in celebration of the 20th anniversary of Design Matters, we'll hear from some of the most memorable interviews that Debbie has done over the years.

It's so interesting because it wasn't copying something.

I'm not trying to make it exciting either.

I just wanted to feel real.

We have these very limiting categories into which we like to put women.

The very first episode of Design Matters launched on February 4, 2005.

I recorded the show live from the Empire State Building, where I worked at the time.

My first guest was the art director and designer John Fulbrook, who was also a dear friend.

In my archive of over 700 shows recorded since, it is the one episode I have no

copy of. So if any of my long-time listeners have a download of the show, please hit me up.

After my interview with John, I asked more of my designer friends to join me on the show,

and as my guest began to send the links of the show to their friends,

word spread throughout the New York City design community,

and I began to invite designers that I didn't know to join me on the show.

By 2009, I began to extend invitations to people I admired in other

creative fields. Now, 20 years later, I've interviewed designers and illustrators, musicians and

podcasters, photographers, typographers, painters, graphic novelists, actors, directors, memoirists, fiction, and

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