20Product: How to Design and Build Products in a World of Agents | Why AI Will Kill Many SaaS Products | What Products Will Thrive and Die in a World of 100M Developers with Matt Biilmann, Co-Founder and CEO @ Netlify
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🗓️ 14 March 2025
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Summary
Matt Biilmann is the Co-Founder and CEO @ Netlify. Under his leadership, Netlify has become one of the fastest-growing platforms for modern web development. Matt recently introduced agent experience (AX), a new way of thinking about how software is built and experienced in the AI era. Matt is also known for coining Jamstack, a concept that redefined how developers build for the web.
In Today's Episode We Discuss:
03:43 How Does the Design Process Change When Designing For Agents
06:27 How Does the Product Building Process Change When Building for Agents
12:52 Will AI Kill SaaS Tools
16:12 If Prototyping Becomes Phase 1: Does Figma Survive?
17:35 Is Chat the Best Interface for a World of AI
21:52 Why AI Services Will Be One of the Biggest Economies
27:24 Open vs. Closed Platforms in an Agent-First World
31:09 Specialization of Large Language Models
35:13 Shifting Labor Costs to Agent Spend
36:28 The Future of Stripe and What Happens with 100M Developers in the World
38:39 Quickfire Round: Insights and Predictions
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| 0:00.0 | I think we'll see the next 100 million software developers emerge around tools that are |
| 0:06.7 | genetic, but I still think it will be a profession to use those tools to do stuff, to |
| 0:12.3 | build stuff for other people. |
| 0:14.2 | If I look at Google's products, like I now have all these Genesis buttons all over and I never |
| 0:19.0 | use them. |
| 0:20.0 | They just haven't managed to productize it |
| 0:21.6 | in a way that feels super compelling. This is 20 Product with me, Harry Stabbings. Now, today we focus |
| 0:26.8 | on a core new focus for product teams. How to craft an amazing agent experience. Now, we've had an |
| 0:33.5 | amazing developer experience for years, but as we move into a world of AI, crafting a beautiful |
| 0:38.6 | and seamless agent experience will be the difference between winners and losers. Joining me for |
| 0:43.9 | this discussion is Matt Billman, co-founder and CEO Netlify, where under his leadership, Netlify |
| 0:49.6 | has become one of the fastest growing platforms for modern web development. He's also coined the term |
| 0:55.2 | agent experience. But before we dive into the show today, are you struggling to beat model benchmarks |
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