Welcome to this episode of 20 minute terms today. I'm delighted to be joined by Jackson

Oven. Jackson how we doing? I'm good man how you doing?

Ah good thanks good mate. What about your timing? Do you have

how you enjoying that now?

Yeah, unbelievable, mate. Like, as, you know, exciting times I've had in my

career kind of at the moment, eight games to go big promotion push like

tough games but we've got full crowd back tomorrow night first time since you know

a couple of years so just everything's kind of falling into place nicely for exciting

the last six weeks or so.

Good stuff man like you must be possibly the only guy to play for both the good guys and

sell taking St. Pauli I think that's some some achieving.

Yeah someone yeah a couple of people have kind of told me that recently and that's a pretty cool

cool stat that I'm the only one to have played for both so I'm sure I won't be the only one

but to be the first pretty cool. That is cool. So we'll take you right back to the very start that Australia not that many football teams when you're right back to the very start that Australia not that many football teams when you're

growing up but is it true you didn't get a team to you like 15 years old?

No like I was playing yeah like at a decent level I suppose that I was just I played like June

Stant normal like Sunday League kind of with my friends and playing at that kind of

standard but it wasn't until I was like 15-16 that I started playing

well we call it like state league but it would be the equivalent in Scotland would be like good

junior level basically so I started playing for like a good club

when I was about yeah about 15-16 and it was my coach there that had the link into

into the Celtic Academy and that's how I ended up with the trial in Scotland so a bit of good fortune on that on that side of things too.

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