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The idea that we get so kind of oversimplified in our conversations about animal agriculture,

or we get so oversimplified in our understanding of agriculture as a whole, we say,

okay, agriculture is bad, the fossil carbon industry is bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. We just need everything

to be new. And that kind of oversimplification of life, it's what's driven so many

revolutions that have left you with the same core problems that you started with.

That was Rebecca Burgess, who we actually had on the podcast previously in episode 61.

She's the executive director of Fibershed, chair of the board for Carbon Cycle Institute,

and the author of Harvesting Color. For me, our first interview was so profound that I knew

we had to have her back on the show

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