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The idea that we get so kind of oversimplified in our conversations about animal

agriculture, or we get so oversimplified in our understanding of agriculture as a whole,

we say, okay, agriculture is bad, the fossil carbon industry is bad, bad, bad, bad, bad,

we just need everything to be new.

And that kind of oversimplification of life,

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