So my oldest son was terrible at basketball when he was young.

And I mean just an embarrassment to black people bad.

And one of my things is like, you've got to have a good jump shot.

Otherwise, it looks like your dad wasn't in your life.

Your jump shot is a reflection of me.

Sure.

That is the voice of the great Kevin Fredericks.

This is a really interesting episode today.

It came about because Lynn Miranda, that one, that guy, he's been on the podcast before.

That's his biggest credit, as far as I know.

He called me and said, I love this guy, Kevin Fredericks.

And he's a comedian, and he's looking to develop a solo show about grief.

And I was wondering if I could connect you.

So he connected us, and we talked on the phone a few times.

I went to see his show the other night at Union Hall in process. And then we had a great talk today. Kevin is a very prolific comic and author. He wrote two books. One is called Successful Failure, Lessons Learned Flat on My Face. The other, he co-authored with his wife, Melissa Fredericks, and it's called Marriage Be Hard, 12 conversations to keep you laughing, loving, and learning with your partner. We have a great chat today. I love what he's doing. I feel like he's opening up about this really challenging thing, and we're just sort of getting to know each other in the podcast today. It's great. I want to mention something really fun, which is the audio of my show, The Old Man in the Pool, is now on Spotify. I'm to listen to it in your car, put it on one of your playlists. I'm really proud of it, Old Man in the pool, which by the way, while you're there, you could listen to Thank God for Jokes, my girlfriend's boyfriend, sleepwalk with me live, my secret public journal, and two drink mic. There's a lot of albums on there.

Anyway, thanks also to everyone who's signed up for working at a premium on Apple Podcasts. We've been doing a lot of different kinds of bonus episodes. We just dropped a brand new bonus episode on there where I'm prepping for a set at the comedy seller. It's really fun. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts.

It's the show behind the show behind the show on there.

Berbilia familia.

You can go on Apple Podcasts in the app, go to Working It Out, and then you click on premium subscriptions, $4.99 a month.

You get no ads.

You support the show, which is an independent

production, and you get bonus episodes. Also, are you in Los Angeles? I heard you were in Los Angeles.

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