#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Shawn Ryan Show

Society & Culture, Philosophy

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🗓️ 12 June 2025

⏱️ 196 minutes

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Alex Wang is the CEO and co-founder of Scale AI, a leading data platform accelerating the development of artificial intelligence applications. Founded in 2016, Scale AI provides high-quality training data for AI models, serving clients like OpenAI, Microsoft, and the U.S. Department of Defense. A former software engineering prodigy, Wang dropped out of MIT to build Scale AI, which is now valued at over $13 billion. Recognized on Forbes’ 30 Under 30 and TIME’s 100 Most Influential People in AI, Wang is a prominent voice in shaping the future of AI innovation and deployment. He advocates for responsible AI development and policies to ensure ethical and secure AI advancements. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: ⁠https://www.roka.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.americanfinancing.net/srs⁠ NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org ⁠https://www.tryarmra.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.betterhelp.com/srs⁠ This episode is sponsored by better help. Give online therapy a try at ⁠betterhelp.com/srs⁠ and get on your way to being your best self. ⁠https://www.shawnlikesgold.com⁠ ⁠https://www.lumen.me/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.patriotmobile.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.rocketmoney.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.shopify.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://trueclassic.com/srs⁠ Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at ⁠trueclassic.com/srs⁠! #trueclassicpod Alex Wang Links: Website - https://scale.com Scale AI X - https://x.com/scale_ai Alex X - https://x.com/alexandr_wang LI - https://www.linkedin.com/company/scaleai Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Alex Wang. Welcome to the show, man. Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited. So am I.
0:11.1	Like I was telling you at breakfast. I don't know a whole lot about tech, but ever since Joe came on,
0:16.2	I've been trying to wrap my head around at all. And it's just fascinating subject. I love talking about
0:21.7	this subject now. So thank you for coming. Well, it's becoming so critical to national security
0:27.4	and all the stuff that you're very passionate about. So I mean, I think fundamentally tech is like,
0:33.3	we got to get it right. Otherwise, stuff gets really dangerous. Yeah.
0:37.9	Yeah.
0:39.4	Scares this shit out of me.
0:45.9	In fact, we were just having a conversation downstairs about you having kids and you're waiting.
0:50.8	And Neurrelink came up and I had to pause the conversation.
0:56.3	Dude, I'm like, I'm worried about Neurrelink, but it sounds like you're pretty gung-ho about it.
0:57.6	So, yeah, a few things.
0:59.9	So, yeah, I mean, what I mentioned is basically, I want to wait to have kids until we
1:05.2	figure out how neuralink or other, it's called brain computer interfaces, so other ways for brains to interlink with a, with a computer until they start working.
1:17.5	Because, so there's a few reasons for this.
1:19.3	First is, in your first, like, seven years of life, your brain is more neuroplastic than at any other point in your life, like by an order of magnitude.
1:32.1	So there have been examples where, you know, for example, if somebody, if a kid is born,
1:38.6	like you have a newborn that has, let's say they have cataracts in their eyes, so they can't see
1:42.4	through the cataracts and then they live
1:46.4	their first seven life with seven years of their life with those cataracts and then you have them
1:50.3	removed when they're like eight or nine then even with those removed they're not going to learn how to
1:55.8	see because they're it's so important in those first seven years of your development that you're able to you're able to see that your brain can like learn how to read the signals coming off of your eyes and if you if that's not if you don't have that until you're like eight or nine that you won't learn how to see so because it's so important that your neuroplasty is so high in that early stage of life,
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