Like in the movie, Pay It Forward, everyone is sort of being a beacon of light as they get better and improve, and that goes on.

And I think it's the same thing here where you've seen someone whose life was in some ways

the darkest you could think about in terms of the kind of things that he was hoarding and

preaching.

And now it's completely turned around.

So instead of being a tornado of chaos, it's really a beacon of light.

Welcome to spiritually hungry.

We are very excited today to have a special guest and friend, Matthew Stevenson.

And I want to ask our listeners, would you invite a white supremacist to your family dinner or a dinner

party at your house? Think about that long and hard, probably not for most. Yet that is what,

I don't want to label you, but I would say Kabbalah student, among many other things, Matthew did.

And it had a profound effect on his guest, who was the heir to the white nationalist movement and godson of David Duke, which makes this story even more interested.

So we're very excited to introduce Matthew and here are a firsthand account of how the power of a simple act of kindness

can make a profound difference.

And we've had the opportunity to sit with you before and discuss this.

And now we've invited you on our podcast to do it again.

Welcome.

Thank you so much for having me.

So let's dig right in.

Tell us how you met his Derek Black and what your first impression was.

And what really gave you the impetus to reach out to him and invite him not just to a dinner party, but it was a Shabbat dinner, right?

Yes.

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