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We were underage. We were little girls. I was 16. I was 16. I started going to him when I was like 14, 15, 14 turning 15.

If you think at 14, $200, that's a lot of money at 14 years old. I mean, that's a lot of money now.

She's like, oh, you know, do you need to make any extra money? I'm like, yeah, she's like, okay, I can give you $200.

This is older guy in Palm Beach. He gets a lot of massages from girls.

It ended with sexual abuse and intercourse. And then a pad on the back.

You've done a really good job. Like, you know, thank you very much and here's $200.

You know, before you know it, I'm being linked out to politicians and to academics and to people that are royalty and people that you just...

You would never think like, how did you get into that position of power in the first place if you're this disgusting, evil, decrepit person on the inside?

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clemente Retired at Beyond Profile in foreign New York City prosecutor and writer producer on CBS's Criminal Minds.

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Or Rich's Criminal Behavioral Analyst, former New Scotland Yard and founder of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service.

And we're missing one today, Jim.

It's a real shame Lisa couldn't join us, but our schedule is so busy right now. Me being overseas and Lisa's got a very exciting job off of Team News right now.

She's excited for her, but it's the shame she's not going to be weighing in on what is really concerning, troubling, disturbing, horrific case.

I've got to say this.

But thankfully, Lisa did send us a bunch of listener questions and we will be unraveling those questions as we unravel the mysterious case of Jeffrey Epstein.

Yeah, and we had to interrupt our schedule with Mind Hunter, which we were reticent to do because we really enjoy covering the Netflix show Mind Hunter and John Douglas's book as well.

And I know our listeners really love our forensic deconstruction of the case and the show.

But this is a really topical and important case to talk about. And I'm really pleased that Wondry have decided to do this six part.

And as you said, it's the mysterious Mr Epstein and Lindsey Graham is the host of American scandal and it's the six part.

I mean, this could actually be far longer and I'm really pleased that we are the companion podcast forensically deconstructing this case because I tell you Jim, I really had trouble listening to it.

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