I listen to the Black Guy Who Tips Podcast because Rod and Karen are hard.

Laurie takes a beat as opposed to like lying on the beach and just swimming in things.

It can be creative. I like to pretend that I'm being creative when I'm lying on the beach.

Why? It makes me laugh. It makes me feel like I can change things.

It means something different almost every day because I'm what you call a multi-media artist.

Some days I'm working on music, some days I'm working on animatronics or just fixing computers.

That's one of the big new jobs that I've gotten as an artist.

In terms of what it actually means, I don't really know.

The most exciting art I see is things that redefine it.

And you kind of go, is that art? I'm not sure.

I like it when it's just not so clear if it's art or politics or something else.

I probably trust laughter more than anything that goes through my mind.

If I'm really laughing, I'm thinking there's something here that is physical as well as mental.

And then she laughs proving my point.

The thing that lingered, at least for me, was the other part of her answer.

She makes things because it makes her feel like she can change things.

It's a world where we grapple all the time with our insignificance, where things happen around us and to us.

Being creative in whatever form is proof that we can leave an imprint on our surroundings, that we can make a mark on time.

Even her expansion of the definition of art into politics or something else stays faithful to this idea of creativity.

When we make something, we make something different.

Hey, welcome to the Black Galtos Park as your host Rod and we're live on a Sunday morning.

And we have a very special guest in the house.

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