Welcome to episode 204 of the first 40 miles.

If you're new to backpacking or if you're hopelessly in love with someone who wants you to love

backpacking, then this podcast is for you.

We'll talk about the essentials, how to lighten your load,

and how to make the most of your time on the trail.

I'm your host Heather Legler.

And I'm Josh Legler and this is the first 40 miles

Today on the first 40 miles maybe you've posted a few picks of your backpacking trip on social media and now everyone is asking you

So how was your trip? What's the best way to respond? Then we have a listener story from Mason who let his

adventures lead to creating a business that helps others experience adventure.

Then we'll share a hack that may just

awaken you to a possible feature on your oven or toaster oven. All this and that's about it today on the first 40 miles.

Well we recently moved to an old house that we're fixing up. So we've been displaced from our usual

recording studio in the walk-in closet of our previous house. Last week we

recorded from the hazelnut orchard, which was okay, but it's that time of year when the hazelnuts are dropping.

So it was beautiful, but it was a little risky.

It was dangerous.

And this time we decided to try recording from our old minivan.

And this van has seen a lot of trips.

It has. It's taken us on a lot of backpacking trips.

So it is kind of nostalgic to be recording in this van.

And it's actually not the first time that we've used the van to record the first 40 miles

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