Hello and I'm delighted to the spike podcast I'm Fraser Myers and joining me here in the studio we have Spikes editor at Tom Slater and I'm delighted to have down the line

Inaya Falarin Iman returning special guests to the show welcome.

Hi. Coming up to the show welcome. Hi.

Coming up on the show today,

Just Stop Oil, the US midterms,

the pensioner imprisoned for selling mince pies,

and Matt Hancock's first few days in the jungle.

So Just Up Oil have been doing four days of consecutive protests on the M25 this week,

causing huge amounts of disruption and chaos.

And I mean, what are you making this group?

Do you think they're angels out to save the planet?

Or what's your take on it?

I mean, it's just so ironic in a dark way when we have an energy crisis

partly precipitated by the fact that Europe has been dependent on Russia for their energy supply for

for decades despite warnings from many different people which has contributed to Energy Pices being pushed up in relation to the

Ukraine conflict and so on and in light of that we have individuals and groups really advocating for policies that will only exacerbate that.

I mean it is frankly impossible if we just take them at their central demand to just up oil, coal and gas, we would not have

a modern existence. We would not have all of the things that support our life in the modern day.

And so they are totally out of touch,

really just ignorant of the reality of how the world goes round. And everything that they advocate for will take us

backwards actually yes we we should care about the environment at least in my

view and do things in order to protect our long-term futures but there's also other

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