I had been coming home on a day that was just super depressing. And all I wanted to do is curl up in front of the television, which is just like a big bowl of mac and cheese. But I realized that there was no place I could go to get really good mac and cheese, which is sort of nuts. I pulled out the recipe that I had grown up making with my dad. I made this delicious bowl of mac and cheese. And I'm sitting on my couch and eating it when I sort of have this aha moment thinking, huh, there was no restaurant I could go to get this. This restaurant should exist.

I think I should open it. And so when I got fired, I was like, this is my moment to try this bizarre idea of opening a mac and cheese restaurant. If I fail, I'll just be back to what I was

already doing, which is, you know, to sell my soul to make a lot of money working as a lawyer.

I realize that my worst case scenario was basically the life I was already living.

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