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Hey, hi, so that's your all these episodes. I still don't know how to start the show.

We've tried Howard Stern start. We've tried songs. We've just tried just to know.

Giggle our way. We try to be something I'm not rhyming anymore. So yeah, maybe that's the problem.

Oh, maybe that's the problem. Right. Like that was what made it magical. And now we like I think it's

still met Samson's hair. Oh, well, I think it's still magical too. And I'm happy to be here with you.

We are going to have a really fun show today. I promise you that much. Um, as always, I have a lot

planned actually. We have an interview at the end that you are not going to want to miss with

Amy Kaufman who wrote a book about the bachelor called bachelor nation. Oh, you've been raving about

this book. Sarah, we have been I love when you used my first name because I know she knows I know

you're serious. We have been doing so much reality TVs for our entire adult life. So oh my god,

you are right to be surprised by something. That's when I was like holy crow. This is

bunk holy crow holy crow because what's the new one? I've never had something. Is that a thing?

Yeah, I didn't make it up. Okay, honestly, like cows are the go to. This book tells the story of

the bachelor, of course, but it puts it in the context of dating shows in general. So it talks

about like the dating game and you know, you know, I love the history of. So I love that. She did a

lot of homework. She did tons of interviews then. She describes how the show came to be and the

tactics that they use behind the scene to make this show that everyone loves. And I was shocked.

Oh my god. It is so gross, Sarah. And then I went to dinner with our mutual friend who's shall remain

nameless, who worked on three seasons of the bachelor. And so I was like, give me the scoop.

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