Here is a big existential question for every media company today. Do they fight the AI

tech overlords or do they just take their money? So far, most of them are taking the money,

but a few are fighting. One of them is Zip Davis. This is Peter Kafka, the host of channels.

And on this week's episode, I'm talking to Zip Davis, CEO of Vec Shah, who tells me he's kind of optimistic about the media business and why he's taking on the people behind chat GPT.

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Hey, everyone. welcome to Serb.

I'm Andy.

J.W. is here.

Producer Mike is over there.

Techie Sean is over there.

And I feel like this is producer Mike's favorite show.

Why? This is the one where you can say you suck at your job

you this is the redraw show so for those of you who don't know we do a live draw show i've never

seen the job before i can't give the same excuse to uh my partners in crime over here uh but we just make a bunch of picks in like a frenzied way. We end up messing it up pretty badly. And then we need some grace. So we have a redraw show where we try again. Is that what we're calling it? Grace? I mean, I think it's a redo. Did you feel? Second serve.

Now, I have a question.

We're just in a random hotel room in New York. I was going to say, do we want to set the scene. Live shows. We're here to do more U.S. open work. I mean, this is the first time I've ever felt like a real journalist because I'm actually holding a microphone. I know. You do. here we go.

I'm actually pissed off.

I didn't get you like a small Bob Barker microphone.

That would have been sweet.

Sweet. I would have bought a suit. I would have bought a new, I would have bought a new suit. All right. So this is the redraw show. So we basically tell you who we had, why we stink, and who we think is going to win from here on out, right? And I know, Mike, I already know your whole shtick and you suck and the whole thing, but like, did you fill a bracket out? Oh, no, no, no. Did you fill a bracket out? I filled out halfway and then I gave up. So that's a no, just so we're clear.

Like, why I don't know what I'm talking about.

Did you jump over the river?

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