It's Tuesday, December 17, 2024, and welcome back to Goodfellows, a Hoover Institution broadcasts examining social, economic, political, and geopolitical concerns.

I'm Bill Whalen. I'm a Hoover Distinguished Policy Fellow. I'll be your moderator for the course in the next hour or so. Looking forward to a spirit of conversation featuring the three

starts of our show, The Good Fellows, as we call them. And who are the Good Fellows? They are the

eminent historian, Sir Neil Ferguson, the economist John Cochran, and former Presidential National

Security Advisor, Lieutenant General H.R. Mcaster, Neil John, and H.R.

are all Hoover Senior Fellows. So gentlemen, good to see you today. We have two segments in mind.

The second half of the show, we're going to look back at 2024, talking about a few things we

learn, pick a few winners and losers if you're willing. But first, the A block, we're going to talk

about what's in store for 2025, specifically what is heading Washington, D.C.'s

And in times where we want to talk about what's going to happen on the podcast bearing the same name. She also hosts a

podcast in her own right. It's called All Things with Kim Strassel. The latest show dropped earlier

today. She picks winners and losers. Kim, I listened to it on the way over to work. Thank you

for not putting Hoover's in the loser column. Thank you, Bill. So on with the show, Kim, I see a

disturbing pattern in the American presidency. If you go back to

the last six presidents going back to Bush 41 moving forward, here's the problem. One of two things

happens, Kim, either their rule ends prematurely. They leave after four years or if they're given a

second term, that second term ends on a sour note so here we have Donald Trump Kim coming

to Washington for a second term he's Birmingham with ideas are going to fundamentally

transform Washington the kind of ideas of meet resistance so two questions for

you Kim number one how does Donald Trump the inveterate golfer avoid landing in the same

sand trap as the predecessors and question two Kim, Kim, as you're a columnist,

that also makes you something of a greater of all things, Washington.

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