This is Words Matter with Norm Ornstein.

We've got the boats and screw the rest of you.

And Dr. Kavita Patel.

These might be some of the smaller moments, you know, with all the bombshells.

Didn't catch people's eyes. Hello and welcome to Words Matter from the DSR network.

Each week, Norm Ornstein and I talk about the issues facing our country.

Norm, whether you believe it or not, we're heading into 2025.

By the time our listeners hear this, hopefully they'll be snuggled in their near their fireplaces,

thinking about their plans to try to establish citizenship in another country. I'm certainly

going to try. Norm, what's on your, what is on your plate for this holiday season and help us

listeners try to reflect on not just what's happened recently,

but we're going to spend a couple of minutes at the end on our hopes for the next year,

the new year, Norm.

So, well, let's start with the latest outrage, Kavita,

because we're good at outrages.

We are.

And this was Disney and ABC bizarrely capitulating to Trump with this lawsuit over George Stephanopoulos in an interview on ABC News, basically quoting the judge in the case involving E. Jean Carroll,

where the jury found Trump guilty of a sexual offense but did not call it rape. And the judge said that it really was rape, that the jury was

uncertain over whether digital penetration with a finger would be the same as what we would

normally define as rape or usually define as rape.

But a judge Kaplan said, no, you know, really, that's rape.

So Trump sued.

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