From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell. We're here to talk about the Emmys with a pair of folks who know as well as anybody, not better than most of us, how to look at this series of Our Nations.

First of all, Lorraine Ali, whose breadth and scope on pop culture is rivaled by none.

She's a TV critic at the Los Angeles Times.

Hi, Lorraine.

Hello.

And Clayton Davis Awards editor at Variety.

Hey, Clayton, how are you, man?

Hey, how are you doing?

We so often hear about the snubs.

I think this has been a really interesting year, if only because, for example, in the comedy category,

we get to see it's a real kind of almost an autourship there with the

nominations of the women who are nominated for putting these shows together. And I wonder if there

are anything that stand out for you guys. And I'll start with you, Lorraine, they feel like

they're a really interesting kind of indicator of the times. In comedy and also in drama, but in comedy in particular,

there are the markers that we usually see with the Emmys where, you know, the voters are comfortable

what they're comfortable with. They like returning shows, you know, something like six of the

eight in that category are returning shows. But of those shows that are nominated,

Abbott Elementary, for instance, is a new comedy series. And I was really excited when I saw that

because it is created by women, Stars Woman, is about an underfunded public elementary school.

And I just kind of loved the idea that something that was shaped more like a kind of

traditional linear comedy series stood out the way that it did simply because the

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