Hello, listeners. Will Ipin here, producer at This Is Hell.

A new long-form interview hell is on hold this week as Chuck tends to his health care needs,

driving from his Lyme disease infection and other ongoing chronic health concerns.

We will return next week with all new interview hell,

including a rare in-studio interview with UK climate justice organizer, Michaela Loach.

This week, we are sharing our first two interviews from 2020. While these interviews offer us a glimpse into the state of affairs covered by the show

before the COVID-19 pandemic supposedly changed the world forever, and there are many

notable retcon publications coming out now from across the political spectrum that emphasize

that point, I think it's safe to say

based on these interviews and on our back catalog of Longform Interview Hell that pre and post-pandemic

hells differ little in their structures and human and environmental costs.

Today we revisit our first interview from 2020,

when University of Kent Political and Social Theory Scholar,

Albina Osmanova joined us to discuss her then new book titled

Capitalism on Edge. How Fighting Precarity Can Achieve Radical Change

Without Crisis or Utopia from Columbia University Press.

In this conversation, Albina examines the dynamics of post-2008 precarity capitalism,

the left's long failure to strike through capitalism's competitive production of profit,

and examines why radical change for the precarious multitude is possible without a revolutionary break,

but through what she calls subversive pragmatism.

Without further delay, let's roll it.

This is hell.

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