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Hello and welcome to this day in esoteric political history from Radiotopia. my name is Jody Avergan.

This day, September 13, 1988 Democratic presidential candidate Michael Dukakis was touring a general dynamics

plant that assembled the M1 battle tank.

During his tour, his press team arranged for him to put on a green helmet and military

coveralls over his suit and kind of ride the tank around for a bit on the assembly plant.

The cameras were rolling, photographers were clicking away, and the next day an image of Dukakis aboard the tank with the helmet

kind of like plopped down over his head this big goofy smile on his face.

That image was everywhere and many of you are probably seeing this image in your

head right now it kind of came to define seeing this image in your head right now,

it kind of came to define Dukakis in many ways.

So here to talk about the Tank photo, how it very likely contributed

to his blown lead and eventual loss to George H.W. Bush and in general the question of optics,

blown leads, how photo ops can go very, very wrong. Here with us is Nicole

Hammer of Columbia as always. Hello, Nicky. Hello Jodyody and our special guest we're very

excited to have her on Amy Walter National Editor of the Cook Political Report

host of politics with Amy Walter from WNYC's takeaway it's a Friday political show which I really really love Amy so thank you for coming on and thank you for doing this

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