#202 – Rick Doblin: Psychedelics
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🗓️ 21 July 2021
⏱️ 162 minutes
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Rick Doblin is a psychedelics researcher and the founder and executive director of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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(00:00) – Introduction
(07:54) – Introduction to psychedelics
(11:09) – Psychedelics reveals the inner depths of humans
(23:43) – Differences between psychedelics
(31:08) – The future of psychedelics
(39:52) – Epigenetics
(45:49) – DMT
(53:16) – Ego dissolution
(56:33) – One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest
(59:32) – Psychedelics and Creativity
(1:03:25) – MKUltra and the Grateful Dead
(1:08:04) – Ted Kaczynski
(1:13:46) – Timothy Leary
(1:21:10) – Good Friday Experiment
(1:25:46) – Forming of MAPS
(1:37:01) – Gaining access to psychedelics
(1:45:30) – MDMA Medical Trials
(2:17:00) – Clinical Trials for other substances
(2:21:43) – Future of society with psychedelics
(2:26:13) – Big Pharma
(2:32:32) – Advice for the younger generations
(2:38:17) – Meaning of life
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | The following is a conversation with Rick Doblin, founder and executive director of the |
| 0:04.9 | multi-disciplinary association for psychedelic studies, Maps. |
| 0:09.8 | He is one of the seminal figures in both the cultural history and the cutting-edge science |
| 0:14.1 | of psychedelics. |
| 0:15.1 | He was there along with the biggest characters throughout this fascinating history of |
| 0:20.0 | psychedelics, and he is here to tell the story. |
| 0:23.8 | Quick mention of our sponsors, TheraGun, ExpressVPN, Blinkist, and A Sleep. |
| 0:29.8 | Write them out in the description to support this podcast. |
| 0:33.3 | As a side note, let me say that exploring the places the human mind can go can help us |
| 0:38.2 | understand where it comes from, how it works, and how to engineer mental journeys, whether |
| 0:43.9 | that's through life experiences, chemical substances, brain computer interfaces, or interactions |
| 0:50.4 | with artificial intelligence systems. |
| 0:52.1 | On a personal level, I think the dissolution of the ego for stretches of time is a powerful |
| 0:57.7 | tool for understanding yourself. |
| 1:00.0 | A lot of things can do this, including Jiu-Jitsu, literature, meditation, but psychedelics |
| 1:05.5 | is definitely, or at least arguably, one of the most powerful, from psilocybin to DMT. |
| 1:11.6 | I'm excited that people like Rick are leading the scientific research that reveals the efficacy |
| 1:16.7 | and the safety of these substances, so that their proper dosage and usage protocols can |
| 1:22.4 | be understood, and people like me can safely and effectively use them, not just for recreation, |
| 1:29.9 | but for rigorous exploration of my own mind. |
| 1:33.6 | As usual, I'll do a few minutes of ads now, and no ads in the middle, I'll find those |
| 1:37.4 | get in the way of the conversation. |
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