The following is a conversation with Rick Doblin, founder and executive director of the

multi-disciplinary association for psychedelic studies, Maps.

He is one of the seminal figures in both the cultural history and the cutting-edge science

of psychedelics.

He was there along with the biggest characters throughout this fascinating history of

psychedelics, and he is here to tell the story.

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As a side note, let me say that exploring the places the human mind can go can help us

understand where it comes from, how it works, and how to engineer mental journeys, whether

that's through life experiences, chemical substances, brain computer interfaces, or interactions

with artificial intelligence systems.

On a personal level, I think the dissolution of the ego for stretches of time is a powerful

tool for understanding yourself.

A lot of things can do this, including Jiu-Jitsu, literature, meditation, but psychedelics

is definitely, or at least arguably, one of the most powerful, from psilocybin to DMT.

I'm excited that people like Rick are leading the scientific research that reveals the efficacy

and the safety of these substances, so that their proper dosage and usage protocols can

be understood, and people like me can safely and effectively use them, not just for recreation,

but for rigorous exploration of my own mind.

As usual, I'll do a few minutes of ads now, and no ads in the middle, I'll find those

get in the way of the conversation.

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