Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson podcast season four episode 59. I'm Michaela Peterson.

This is part two of meaning awe and conceptualization of God, where we'll continue to investigate

the religious realm. Part one was released last week. Check it out if you haven't already.

This episode is comprised of multiple season four episodes from the podcast specifically

Jonathan Pazzo, Randall Wallace, Ian McGillcrest, Bishop Baron, Steven Fry, and John Verveki.

This is a good one. We've paired this compilation with some exciting upcoming episodes in the form of

next Monday's podcast, which is a conversation between Jordan, Jonathan, Pazzo, Bishop Baron,

and John Verveki, where they discuss many of the same concept you'll hear about today,

as well as the role of psychedelics in religious tradition. This Saturday, tomorrow, we're

also releasing a talk given by Jonathan Pazzo to the Montreal Young Society. Jordan and Tammy,

my parents, were both so impressed by this talk that Jordan decided to add this conversation to

the official canon of his biblical series. Stay tuned for part three of meaning awe and the

conceptualization of God next Thursday. That'll be the final part of this series. Quick

Peterson update, we're in Cambridge and London in the UK. It is so wonderful to be with

family and not have to worry about health. Thank God for that. I can't believe that nightmare is over.

I hope you enjoy this episode and have a wonderful weekend.

Where does your insistence that values are part of the structure of being like where does that

find its limit? Because the classic limit of that is something like

the definition of the utmost place of value in some sense is almost indistinguishable from the

claim that there is a God. God is not the same as an engineering God. I was taking enormous pains

in the book. It cost me more than anything I've ever written to write the chapter called The

Sense of the Sacred, in which I try to help people to a place where they can understand why people

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