From Relay FM, this is Upgrade episode 202 for July 16th, 2018.

I am your host Jason Snell and not Mike Hurley, who is not here.

He is on assignment, and his assignment was to go on his honeymoon. We assigned that as a collective.

We said no more podcasting for you. Go on your honeymoon. And so our special guest to replace Mike well who could

replace Mike to succeed Mike for one week only it is of course another co-founder of

relay why not Stephen Hackett. Hello.

Yeah, just you close your eyes and squint.

We're basically the same person.

We both have beards.

Yeah, I mean, really, if your face blind but not beard blind, then you're like basically the same person

as far as I'm concerned.

We both co-founded podcast networks you both you

both have I was going to make an accent joke but I don't really know what that would be

we both have American accents. Yeah, by the way, because Mike likes to do this even though I never do it.

This episode of Upgrade is brought to you by Mail Route, Pingham, and Anchor.

Anyway, I said that like how Mike says it. We are here. It is the summer of fun. What is more fun than having a co-host who is a surprise like Stephen Hackett? So welcome Stephen to the summer of fun.

It's bright in here. I really, you said it and all the lights got brighter and someone

handed me a drink with a fancy straw.

So you see here there's a little ukulele playing in the background.

I've got a good microphone so I can hear it but you can't hear it.

But it's here.

That's the best kind.

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