It's time for episode 202 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, August 16th, 2017.

Clockwise, four people,s where the fundamental things apply as time goes by.

I'm your co-host, Dan Mooran, and I am joined across the internet by my very good co-host.

Mr. Micah Sargent.

Hi, Micah. Hello, Dan. Welcome

back. We missed you. Oh, I knew you did ably in my, in my absence. I was delighted to listen

to the show last week, only a little bit of fun at my expense. I really expected more from you guys.

I mean, more making fun, that is. Oh, see, I don't, I just, I get really worried whenever people do the whole, yes, our co-host

is gone because he's dead thing.

And I just, I don't, I don't like that.

That's not a fun game for me to play.

That's true.

That's true.

But I'm glad to be back.

And I'm glad to be here with our two wonderful guests this week. To my left, the co-host of so many fantastic podcasts,

including the Accidental Tech podcast, analog. I'm sure there are other shows I could mention,

but we'll stick with those two because we haven't got all day. Casey Liss is here. Hi, Casey.

Hello. How are you? I'm fantastic. Thanks for being here. Well, thank you. It is a pleasure as always.

And to my left is the unicorn sidekick, the one and only Kathy Campbell. How are you, Kathy?

I'm doing fantastic. I'm so excited to be here.

Excellent. I'm so glad to have you both. Let's kick it off today with my topic. Messaging app. So I was

OA traveling last week and while I was international, I had a couple people mentioned like, oh yeah,

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