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Because the two of you have a lot more experience than I do in the world of intelligence,

I want to throw at you something that is, to me, the biggest lingering question about the

the Russian affair, so to speak. The question I have for you guys is this,

given that we know that the same cell or the same actors that we're using the same bitly link

and the same tools and all the forensics indicates this, we're going after opponents of Vladimir Putin

outside of the United States, within Russia, journalists, NGOs, in Ukraine, in other countries around the

world. But in the United States, it wasn't, and this is the point I'm getting at, it wasn't this

like surgical strike on the DNC's emails. It wasn't a surgical strike on John Podesta's Gmail account.

These hackers were targeting swaths of people that were influencers in the United States, that were

connected to the military or connected to intelligence. And so, to me, the idea that you say, well,

the intent of the hack was to influence the election, I don't believe we've seen evidence to back that up.

I think there's four scenarios, and you can rule out a couple really quick. On the Trump side,

what he would tell you is he's just a guy who likes Russian issues and believes very similar to them.

On the other end is the Manchurian candidate. He's picked selected and is doing the bidding of Putin.

I don't think the links are there to come to that conclusion. In the middle though, you've got two

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