You can't just go charging in saying you're wrong and I'm right.

Because as we just heard, everybody thinks they are right.

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You Are Not So Smart Podcast, a TED Talk by Jonathan Hate, and Bill Moyer's in Conversation.

We are all arguing, we're all bickering, we're all trying to get people to either see things

our way or change their mind about the way they see things.

Sometimes this is directed at policies or directed at courses of action that we think that should

be taken either by our institutions or by people who are in our friends and family.

Or sometimes it's just, you know, it can be as simple as saying no, the new Star Wars movie was

awesome. I think there's wine. You lay it out.

And when we try to argue with other people, we try to make a case for why they are wrong

and we are right, you suggest in your study that we do something sort of intuitively that just

doesn't work. And that was in, you're both of your hypothesis, both hypotheses in your study,

sort of lay this out. So if you could, we're going to walk our way through your research here.

What did you hypothesize upfront about the way we argue?

Sure. Yeah. So one of our intuitions going into this research is that this idea of the moral

empathy gap probably presents a barrier to political persuasion. So if it's the case,

in which we know it is the case, that liberals and conservatives tend to hold different moral values

and that moral values tend to blind people to one another's perspectives, then this might help

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