Jake Knapp is the inventor of the design sprint and the New York Times best-selling author of the book Sprint.

He's also the co-founder of character, a venture fund for early stage startups.

How and why did you start using Miro?

I came from this position of thinking,

I don't want to be doing stuff online to thinking now when I do a sprint in person with the company,

it's like, we're going to use Miro, even though we're all in the same room because that's a better way for us to get this work done.

As an investor, we're basically investing in their ability to solve problems.

We're saying we think this group of people is going to be

able to solve a problem in a really great way and create value by doing it.

And actually you need to give people the tools that can help them make decisions,

help them collaborate,

help them visualize and see things in a different way.

And Murro does all those things.

So to me at least, as an investor, I'm thinking,

give the team the tools that are gonna help them think,

that are gonna make the most brighten their skills as smart folks.

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