201. Lifelines VS Deadlines: The Need For Science Based Policy (Part Two)
Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast
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🗓️ 25 May 2023
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Summary
Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.
Last week Paul Dickinson, Dylan Tanner and our guests explored some of the good, the bad, and the downright dark side of government action on climate policy, or perhaps that should be inaction.
This week, with the help of co-host Fiona Macklin, part two of Lifelines vs Deadlines will go beyond the politics and speak to industry and city leaders, lawyers and youth activists on the need for collective support around regulatory lifelines if the deadlines, climate science has set for us are to be met. Expert guests including:
Mark Watts, Executive Director at C40 Cities
Lord Adair Turner, Chair of the Energy Transitions Commission
Paul Polman, Business leader, campaigner and co-author of ‘Net Positive: how courageous companies thrive by giving more than they take’
Georgina Beasley, Secretary General at Net Zero Lawyers Alliance
Joshua Amponsem, Founder, Green Africa Youth Organization and Co-Director - Youth Climate Justice Fund
Shyla Raghav, Co-Founder, Chief Portfolio and Partnership Officer at TIME CO2
Dr Ellen Quigley, Special Adviser (Responsible Investment) to the Chief Financial Officer and Principal Research Associate (Climate Risk & Sustainable Finance) at University of Cambridge
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Outrage and Optimism. I'm Paul Dickinson and today we bring you the second |
| 0:19.2 | and final episode in our series, Lifelines vs Deadlines, looking at the need for science-based |
| 0:25.4 | policy to help us deliver net zero by 2050. Now last week we explored some of the good, |
| 0:32.9 | the bad and the downright dark side of government action on climate policy or should I say in action. |
| 0:39.5 | This week we'll go beyond the politics, to speak to industry and city leaders, lawyers and youth |
| 0:45.6 | activists on the need for collective support around regulatory lifelines if we're to meet the |
| 0:50.4 | deadlines climate science is set for us. Thanks for being here. |
| 1:01.0 | Now I'm delighted to be joined by Fiona McLean as my co-host for this episode |
| 1:07.2 | and for you actually coined the term Lifelines vs Deadlines, what's the story behind that? |
| 1:11.6 | Well, Paul, hello and firstly thank you so much for having me on this podcast. It's an absolute |
| 1:16.7 | honour. I had the privilege of managing the Race to Zero campaign with the UN High Level Climate |
| 1:22.6 | Champions team for just over two years and I was really energized by what a few things but in |
| 1:28.8 | particular the exponential uptake in the number of non-state actors, so the businesses, the cities, |
| 1:35.1 | the regions, the financial institutions committing to net zero over the last couple of years. I mean |
| 1:40.4 | the campaign literally grew tenfold between 2020 and 2022 and that's fantastic but what I was also |
| 1:49.1 | aware of was the intensity of the scrutiny on these commitments and there's a lot of criticism |
| 1:54.6 | around a lot of strong focus and accountability and of course all that is critically important to |
| 2:00.4 | help drive us towards delivering the deadlines that we need but I think we also risk falling into |
| 2:06.4 | a bit of a trap of overwhelming ourselves with increasingly urgent deadlines rather than promoting |
| 2:12.6 | the tools, the lifelines that we need to achieve what we know are scientific limits, not just targets. |
| 2:21.1 | So who better to kickstart this conversation off than a dare turner where he |
| 2:25.7 | a pompous person would have to call him Lord of Dare Turner but he's not so he doesn't mind. |
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